Making a thread for this in case it's useful to have a place to coordinate.

I guess in theory it doesn't matter to the general population of all the PCs if the poor miners all perish (but saving them sounds nicer!)

If we collectively really bomb the ritual event, on the other hand, it sounds like we may have more earthquakes which could be... bad!

I am interested in helping with one or the other if I can be useful.

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Part 2: I̶ c̶a̶n̶ p̶r̶o̶b̶a̶b̶l̶y̶ t̶a̶k̶e̶ a̶ g̶o̶o̶d̶ w̶h̶a̶c̶k̶ a̶t̶ t̶h̶e̶ M̶o̶r̶a̶l̶e̶ s̶e̶c̶t̶i̶o̶n̶ o̶f̶ t̶h̶e̶ R̶e̶s̶c̶u̶e̶ (̶u̶s̶e̶l̶e̶s̶s̶ a̶t̶ a̶l̶l̶ t̶h̶e̶ o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ o̶n̶e̶s̶)̶.
Update/Edit: I knocked off Morale.
One more category needed for partial credit, three more for full credit. Overall, seems like a good event for Int and Perception characters and Bushi.

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Part 3: Unfortunately I'm not very good at the Ritual, which seems like the more critical one of the two (4k3 Lore: Theology vs TN25 for stage 1, 6k4 Dance vs 30 for stage 3). Most of this event seems built for Sages and Shugenja!

Edit: okay, this one is really HARD. Only the first section (Lore/Commune at pretty high TNs) generates points, and then you have to pass the third section (Dance or Earth spell at high TNs) to apply them. Do we even have any non-shugenja Lore experts who can also hit a TN 30 Dance roll? Or high-Willpower lore experts who can do the Lore: Nature route?

It might be a good idea to figure out if we even have enough dancing/willful Lore experts and Earth 3 shugenja to make this worth attempting. If we don't have enough candidates that we can reasonably expect to get to 12 successes, no sense in anybody doing the event just to get Wrath of the Kami: Earth.

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I'll also suggest that as an RP/politicking matter, it might be possible to join together to use court diplomacy to try to placate/sooth the Ikoma's ruffled feelings on behalf of characters who participate in the two MM events, and that's something I'd be interested in pursuing whether or not I join them myself.

I can leave court relatively lightly (buy buy darling).

Foe stage 3 I am decent at almost all rolls...except for the last part. If I want to go thr appease route, I'm rolling 5k4 or 5k5 untrained. The nature route is probably a bit better?

Yeah, the rolls are such high TNs that honestly the nature route is important if you can make the roll.

Edited the top post in light of the rules clarifications. I think those make interest checking/running the odds for Part 3 a really good idea!

For part three…

I have a good shot at 5 points on Stage 1. 10k8 on Lore:Theology.

Will probably pass the Meditation roll even by accident.

But then will need to hit the Dance TN on 6k6 no explosions…

So very easily could be subtracting any raises I call on stage 1.

Don't bother with a raise for part 3 then, 6 points will be half the score needed to avoid the kami's wrath alone

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:46 pm

For part three…

I have a good shot at 5 points on Stage 1. 10k8 on Lore:Theology.

Will probably pass the Meditation roll even by accident.

But then will need to hit the Dance TN on 6k6 no explosions…

So very easily could be subtracting any raises I call on stage 1.

With 6k6 you have better odds at that roll than almost anyone else, too. It's a niche skill, and most people who do have it probably just have 1 rank and no Four Temples nonsense (6k6 unskilled: 69%; 6k5 skilled: 67%).

Performers like me might have more Dance but we aren't built for Lore!

The rationalist route is safer in step 3, if you can hit the TN in step 1, but that TN 30 using Willpower is probably a reach for most courtiers.

Ikoma Tanji wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:48 pm

Don't bother with a raise for part 3 then, 6 points will be half the score needed to avoid the kami's wrath alone

Raises do nothing in step 3--but if you fail step 3, your Raises from step 1 become negative. It's a "must pass" roll, not a "play for points" roll.

The Question:
Lore: History/Int - 5k4
Lore: Omens/Perception - 4k3
Lore: Theology/Intelligence - 5k4

Centering:
3k3 untrained

Chthonic Power:
Perform: Dance/Awareness - 4k4 untrained)


All of this is without the use of Void, so I feel I can pass most of the rolls but not with Raises.

IC reasons would preclude me from doing the ‘rationalist’ approach.

If I have as good a shot as anyone at that dance roll, feel free for anyone to tag their ritual points on to me if you fail before step 3.

Ibmissed the willpower part, so stuck on being a stereotypical feenix.

Theology/Int: 7k5+FR, can make 1 cr probably, possibly 2?
Meditation" 6k4
Dance: 5k5 untrained kr 5k5 phantom rank

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:25 pm

IC reasons would preclude me from doing the ‘rationalist’ approach.

If I have as good a shot as anyone at that dance roll, feel free for anyone to tag their ritual points on to me if you fail before step 3.

This stage consists of three sections. These sections must be completed in order. If a roll is failed, your contribution is at an end. However, you may give the number of your total Ritual Points as a static bonus to another character’s roll if you wish.

This was added, so failed attempts could drop their points onto the stage 3 roll of someone with a lot of points to reduce the risk of further disaster, I guess.

And if we don't make it to 12 points at all.. Then anyone who got to Stage 3 gets a disadvantage.

Yikes. Makes it scary to try.

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 7:49 pm

And if we don't make it to 12 points at all.. Then anyone who got to Stage 3 gets a disadvantage.

Yikes. Makes it scary to try.

Two disadvantages for most. One of which can be exceedingly damaging at an Ikoma run winter court. Not to mention it's 21 points to get to a number where there is a positive If folks are going to attempt though. I would look at the possibility of purposefully failing step two if you can't do well in step 3.

That way you don't potentially tank the ritual points.

Doji Shinnosuke wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:55 pm

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:46 pm

For part three…

I have a good shot at 5 points on Stage 1. 10k8 on Lore:Theology.

Will probably pass the Meditation roll even by accident.

But then will need to hit the Dance TN on 6k6 no explosions…

So very easily could be subtracting any raises I call on stage 1.

With 6k6 you have better odds at that roll than almost anyone else, too. It's a niche skill, and most people who do have it probably just have 1 rank and no Four Temples nonsense (6k6 unskilled: 69%; 6k5 skilled: 67%).

Performers like me might have more Dance but we aren't built for Lore!

The rationalist route is safer in step 3, if you can hit the TN in step 1, but that TN 30 using Willpower is probably a reach for most courtiers.

Ikoma Tanji wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 6:48 pm

Don't bother with a raise for part 3 then, 6 points will be half the score needed to avoid the kami's wrath alone

Raises do nothing in step 3--but if you fail step 3, your Raises from step 1 become negative. It's a "must pass" roll, not a "play for points" roll.

Commune or Lore: Theology in step 1. Reasonable chance to pass, but not with raises.
2. Also reasonable and can regain void (I assume, haven't dug through the GMQ thread yet)
3. Void to fake the skill on dancing is only 5k4, so really iffy. But, if allowed, can drop Voice of the Wind on someone using Oratory (not the most common skill) for a +1k1 that stacks with Voice.

So if we only gain points on step one, as it reads. I might add a point...and that's contingent on making the last roll.

I really like the *idea* of helping the miners and dealing with the angry earth both from a player and character standpoint, but oof. Almost better to leave it alone as we have a negative for trying and failing to reach 12 points, but not a stated effect for not trying at all. Which I hate to say about a flavorful event. (add in picking up a sworn enemy just for trying, and it's a tough lift.)

And with a handful of people already opting to stay in court...

Meeting those thresholds is gonna be super tough. We probably just don't have enough people.

What the hell, I've jumped in Part 2 (the mining rescue). Ticked off one of the four categories. If we can get just one other category done, we're in the positives there.

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:08 pm

And with a handful of people already opting to stay in court...

Meeting those thresholds is gonna be super tough. We probably just don't have enough people.

We also don't talk about the advantage of being at court and people possibly getting to push through things you would oppose or people opposeing things you want passed through easier as you are not there.

I'll potentially try part 2, even though I look at glory as a non-reward, especially compared to a large honor gain.

Hiruma Daichi wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:16 pm

Jihen wrote: ↑

Sat Jan 11, 2025 8:08 pm

And with a handful of people already opting to stay in court...

Meeting those thresholds is gonna be super tough. We probably just don't have enough people.

We also don't talk about the advantage of being at court and people possibly getting to push through things you would oppose or people opposeing things you want passed through easier as you are not there.

I'll potentially try part 2, even though I look at glory as a non-reward, especially compared to a large honor gain.

You don't have to miss the court session, at least. We can be back by EA (word of GMs).

Yeah... It looks like it might be prudent to just try and pass Part II instead of Part III.

I could probably power through an Engineering Roll or Medicine Roll with the required raises.

But I'm in no particular hurry. Can wait and see who wakes up and wants to do what.

I'll wait a bit but probably join section 2.

It's not in Daichi's nature to sit at court when instead lives can be saved.

I have a decent pool at the battle roll with tactician.

Can also do digging if there is someone better.